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tithingtoday
7/30/2009 5:58 PM
enriquesigui - God commanded tithing in the following scriptures:

Leviticus 27:30-34 - tithing of the land and animals
Deuteronomy 14:22-27 - tithing of the land only, and the first-born animals
Deuteronomy 14:28-29 - tithing of the land

Which of the above commands do you, yourself, claim to follow?

If we are NOT to change God's Word, please show me scripture where tithing is commanded on anything that man made or earned.

You, like others, have misinterpreted what the tithe really was (or is). God commanded tithing on ONLY miraculous increases that came from God, and NEVER on anything that man made or earned.

Church leaders have taken the idea of tithing from Leviticus 27:30-34 above and changed the rules to fit their own needs. This is proven if you would take the time to do a little research.

Once man changes the Word, it is no longer God's word.

Why is it that NO ONE is quoting scripture to show tithing on income was ever commanded. Why? Because it isn't there. Period.
giladan
7/30/2009 4:29 PM
Jesus said that He did not come to alter or abolish the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill an indeed He has. The various sacrifices are no longer necessary, for Jesus is our ultimate Sacrifice, the Levitical Laws were meant to point us toward Jesus. Since there is no way that we can ever achieve God's standard there has got to be another Way and that Way is Jesus. If we believe in Jesus and trust His righteousness then we are clothed with that righteousness and His acts become ours. That does not alleviate our resounsibility for obedience though. Jesus did say, "If you love Me you will keep my commandments." and Jesus did command that we should tithe. You can deny it. Your salvation isn't going to be affected by it but Jesus did command tithing.
tithingtoday
7/30/2009 2:47 PM
enriquesigui - You give a bunch of words with no scripture to back it up, just like all those who teach tithing.

How can tithing be an act of obedience when God never commanded us to tithe? How can tithing be an act of obedience when you follow none of the commands God gave to the Israelites?

Are you being obedient to God when God said the tithe was His and He gave the tithe to the Levities, but you give the tithe to other than a Levite? Are you being obedient to God when God said you tithe of the land and animals yet you tithe on your income?

You follow man's rules and think you are being obedient to God. You are following tradition that started a little over 100 years ago instead of the Word of God.

If you believe you are following the Word, give scripture to backup what you say.

Blessings come from giving, not tithing. How can so many people be so far from the truth!

General, sacrificial giving is what the NT teaches.


enriquesigui
7/30/2009 1:46 PM
What a wonderful blessing for believers to tithe. Clearly knowing that its purpose its obedience, I must emphasis the feeling of a blessing instead of a burden. Blessings could be many, forget money. How about health? A happy family perhaps? Beautiful healthy grandkids, obedient? How can they know about obedience if we don't teach them? Two days ago, my wife gave me $20 gift(I'm broke). And just when I was about to expend it all(Fruit & lunch), a person approached me. She asked me for $2. I was so grateful, for my Lord, send that person to remind me of tithing. He wants obedience more then sacrifice. Even poor and sick can tithe. Donate blood. Currently I'm think about creating a microeconomic program for local immigrants. I figure that if I donate $400, they can borrow up to $50 each, from the pot. When paid back, they paid 10% extra. When the % reach an average of $200(interest), it could be donate to one of their group that don't have a job or is sick. What do you think?
tithingtoday
7/30/2009 12:07 PM
In my previous comment I meant to say the entire book of Malachi is addressed to the priests (not the people).

If you study the Word using Hebrew and Greek dictionaries, you will find that Abraham GAVE a tithe, Jacob vowed to GIVE a tithe, while the Israelites PAID a tithe. There is a big difference between giving and paying.

Therefore, to bring Abraham's tithe, or Jacob's vow to tithe, into the New Testament, you are bringing in free-will giving.

You can't possibly bring the Levitical tithe into the New Testament unless you bring in all the other Mosaic laws, not to mention the absolute fact that the Lord's tithe was NEVER on income or anything that man made or earned.

Tithing supporters keep only the ten percent, but change what you tithe on, who you take the tithe to, and what is to be done with the tithe.

I call it "Crime Against God." I say it is fraud, and doing it in the Name of Jesus! What could be worse!
ianfusa
7/30/2009 8:37 AM
InHisLikeness, what's more is that there are countless laws and rules in the OT that no Christian believes applies to them, so why does the tithing statement in Malachi? Just read Leviticus and you'll see what I mean . . . for example, how many Christians preach you mustn't eat pork ("and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you") or shellfish ("But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.")?

Ian
tithingtoday
7/29/2009 10:35 PM
InHisLikeness - Malachi 3:8-10 is being spoken to the priests, NOT the people. Start with Malachi chapter 1 and you will see the entire book of Malachi is being spoken to the people.

Malachi 1:14 is where God shows robbing Him of the offerings.

Nehemiah 13:10 is robbing God of the tithes by the priests taking the Levites portion.

Next, in Malachi 3:10 God says to bring all the tithes to the storehouse. The people took the tithes to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities, not to the temple. The Levites took the tithe of the tithes to the temple. Only those tithes ever made it to the temple. The priests then took those tithes to the storehouse. See Nehemiah 10:37-38. This also proves that firstfruits has nothing to do with the tithe as the firstfruits went to the temple but the tithe went to the Levites.

It only makes sense if God is speaking to the priests in these verses.

You are right. God's word does not change, and God NEVER commanded tithing on income.

InHisLikeness
7/29/2009 9:50 PM
want out of His Holy Word. The old testament still stand true just as the New does..Gods Word is true.
InHisLikeness
7/29/2009 9:48 PM
Gods word is the same today as it was back then,it does not change.Just because it was law back than and now we are under Grace still it does not change the fact that we are to follow His word.God tells us to "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in My house" So under law which was old convenant is the temple and the cities of the Levites,under Grace the New Conenant refers to the place ones soul is fed,wherever that may be.He also said in the same verse to "prove Me" that represents a challenge presented by The Lord for men,us as beleivers to prove Him regarding the rewards of tithing.If we fail to give to God what is due Him The lord says He will not turn back the "devourer".This will result in the "fruits" of our efforts being destroyed.Giving back to God results in abundancy of prosperity and not money but the most important,prosperity in God and what He has to offer us.Being rich in God should be what we all want..You can not pick and choose what you
tithingtoday
7/29/2009 12:12 PM
disciplelife - Please educate me WITH SCRIPTURE to show where God ever commanded anyone to tithe on their income. Please give scripture where God authorizes the Christian Church to accept His tithe. Please give scripture where God tells Christians, or anyone else, to take the tithe to anyone other than a Levite.

The tithe was only commanded on God's increase from the land and animals. Period. At no time did God command anyone to tithe on anything that man made or earned.

Abraham's tithe was a free-will gift, not required by God.

I follow the word of God, not something that man made up around 1870. Study the history of tithing and find the truth.

I believe in generous giving, and give far more than ten percent of my income. I give cheerfully, not under compulsion.

Back up your tithing beliefs with scripture. Your words are meaningless without scripture backup. I don't change God's word to make it fit my needs.

Please, give scripture.

Download my book at tithingtoday.com
disciplelife
7/29/2009 5:02 AM
Nowhere does scripture "negate" tithing. Taken out of context, any single verse can be twisted to make it whatever you wish. Hebrews 7, in context, refers to a change in the priesthood, because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. In this passage, the author of Hebrews is stating that Melchizedek, not being a descendant of Levi, not in the order of Aaron, was still a great priest, but he died. Read on... For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life (Heb 7:14-16). The regulation of daily sacrifice is the only thing of the old priesthoods that changes under the new priesthood of Jesus Christ. Heed the warnings of 2Peter2, and spend more time giving to God instead of taking from Him.
tithingtoday
7/28/2009 8:49 PM
InHisLikeness - Abraham did a lot of things. That doesn't mean we are supposed to do what he did today. The scriptures show that Abraham tithed once in his life, and that was on spoils of war. Abraham was wealthy long before he ever tithed. The Word does NOT show that Abraham ever tithed on his income or any of his own wealth. Furthermore, Abraham's tithe was voluntary, a free-will gift, he kept nothing as he gave the rest to the King of Sodom. This is NOT how tithing is taught today.

There is nothing in the New Testament to show that we should follow Abraham's tithe. To the contrary.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) negates any tithing in the New Testament:
"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

Paul had a chance to teach tithing to the Christian Church but he didn't because he knew tithing had ended.

Those who try to perpetuate the tithe are guilty of perpetuating the biggest fraud this country has ever seen.
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