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Razzo83
7/26/2009 12:16 AM
Wow! It really grieves my heart to hear those people out there fighting so hard to refute the very word of God.

I am no "Theologian" as some out there are professed to be, but I am a born again, spirit filled Christ follower so I would like to give my opinion on this topic. I have heard so many people fight so hard to say that tithing is under the old testament law and that we are not to bound by the law. blah, blah, blah... It sounds to me that if those people would spend even half the time preaching the gospel and sharing the love of Jesus Christ with unbelievers instead of fighting so hard to refute this case, the world will be a better place.

I believe that tithing is and should be part of every Christians walk of faith. I tithe unto God with a cheerful heart and in no way feel bound by "old testament law". In doing so God has blessed my finances above and beyond what I could do on my own accord. So what if I'm wrong? Oh well, I am out some money; But what if I'm not wrong...
disciplelife
7/25/2009 10:50 PM
I find it disheartening to see the number of "Christians" who have covered themselves in an imaginary veil of seperation in regards to the Old and New Testaments. They have created a God they feel comfortable with, as opposed to following the God that has existed from time eternal. This is an obvious abandonment of the Old Testament scriptures, including the Ten Commandments. The haphazard misuse of a few lines of text taken out of context for self-gratification is destructive. The Bible is to be taken as a whole, not in compact snipets for those looking to justify their wickedness. The Old Testament beholds the knowledge of the coming of the Savior of all mankind. It also carries with it instructions, guidance and wisdom for all times, not a time begun by some imaginary clock started on Golgotha. I have used Mrs. Marrazzo's initial article as a supplement in teaching adult Bible study classes. This addendum will make an excellent tie-in for future lessons in Biblical obedience.
tithingtoday
7/25/2009 9:12 PM
In the Old Testament, God said the tithe belonged to Him, and He gave the tithe to the Levites. See Leviticus 27:30, 32 and Numbers 18:24.

If tithing is required or even voluntary in the New Testament, show me where God gave a new command that would allow us to take the tithe to the church, and show me where God gave a new command that would allow the church to accept His tithe.

Since the tithe belongs to God, what right does anyone have to pick and choose who they shall take the tithe to? What gives anyone other than a Levite to accept the tithe?

Show me scripture to show that giving to the church is giving to God.

In my opinion, church leaders are perpetuating the biggest fraud this country has ever seen, and they are doing it in the Name of Jesus!!! This is the worst kind of fraud possible. I believe this is a crime against God, and those perpetuating this fraud will someday pay.
cottrel2
7/25/2009 9:11 PM
God's tithe was of the seed of the land and the fruit of the tree and also on the herds. Jesus condemns the Pharisees at least five times in Matthew. With the fifth one he mentions tithes which the Pharisees were very meticulous to observe... on their gardens. Did most Pharisees farm for a living? I think not. The problem here is not so much the law, but legalism.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land, of the fruit of the tree, shall be Jehovah's; it is holy to Jehovah.

Mat 23:13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites...
Mat 23:14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites...
Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites...
Mat 23:16 Woe to you, blind guides....

Mat 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left aside the weightier matters of the Law: judgment, and mercy, and faith. It was right to do these, and not to have left those aside.
tithingtoday
7/25/2009 8:54 PM
If tithing is valid in the New Testament Christian Church, then someone should be able to give me book, chapter, and verse numbers to show the following:
1 - Where in the Word of God did God ever authorized the Christian Church to accept His tithe?
2 - Where did God ever instructed us to take His tithe to the Christian Church?
3 - Where did God ever commanded anyone to tithe on their income?
4 - Show one example where Abraham ever tithed on his own income or wealth.

The Levitical tithe was law and therefore ended at the cross. Abraham's tithe was a free-will gift or possibly a voluntary tax, but in no case did God command Abraham to tithe. To bring Abraham's tithe into the New Testament is merely bringing in free-will giving, which is exactly what the New Testament teaches.

Those who think tithing is required in the New Testament must think that Paul was ignorant since he never taught tithing. It would be a sin against God to pay the Biblical Tithe to a Christian Church.
tithingtoday
7/25/2009 6:05 PM
It's a shame how church leaders use trickery to convince people they should tithe. Matthew 23:23 is one of them. The New Testament doesn't begin until AFTER Jesus died on the cross. Jesus was born, lived, and died under the Old Testament. Jesus, Himself, was under the law. Malachi 3:7-10 refers to the law - the Levitical Priesthood - the Levitical tithe. Anyone who really studies God's tithe will see that the command to tithe was NEVER on anyone's income. The tithe was always on miracles of God - items that came from "God's labor" not man's labor. Church leaders have tricked people by replacing God with man in the tithing formula. God wants a cheerful giver, not a tither. Tithing is wrong, plain and simple. Those who can and should be giving much more than 10% can feel "safe" by tithing. It can give a false sense of security. Show me one place where God ever required anyone to tithe on their income. This is nothing but false teaching. GIVE, don't tithe.
vahunter70
7/25/2009 2:08 PM
I wholeheartedly believe that tithing is essential to the life of the believer, even though we are living in New Testament times.

I am blessed to be able to give back to our Almighty Jehovah Jireh and to see my tithe manifest itself through the many works that my church does in our community and throughout the world.

I am thankful to have a heart that believes in tithing.
marlonntiff
7/24/2009 11:49 AM
I guess if nobody else will stand and agree with you i will speak up. I agree this is a very debated topic. Throughout all the controversy and opinions we cannot cancel out Gods word. If he spoke in the new testament on the importance of tithing and this writer not only spoke about it but gave book chapter and verse who are we to dispute the written word of God and say, no thank you. That really doesn't apply to me. I will however give, but on my terms. I appreciate the writer for holding fast to the word of God and not waivering. People always speak on tithing as an old testament thing or under the law. One thing i didn't read in anyones dispute is what God was talking about in the book of Matthew. If he wasn't speaking of the importance of continuing to tithe as well as live holy, what was he referring to?
mattyg
7/13/2009 4:28 AM
As a New Testament believer, I believe in Giving, not Tithing. The scripture in Malachi about tithing seems to be the most often quoted one in churches, some pastors even say that we are robbing God and we are under a curse if we don't tithe. For a start, God was talking to Israel who were under the Old Covenant, also The apostle Paul said that Jesus removed us from the curse of the law having become a curse for us, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree". I don't believe that Malachi is necessarily applicable to christians because it was addressed to Israel under the old covenant, not the church under the new covenant. But what I do believe in is Giving, (1 Corinthians 16, 2 Corinthians 8 & 9) And not just to the church, but to missions and christian charities etc, and generally people in need. I have first hand experience that God blesses people who give. God has totally blessed my giving beyond anything I expected, but I don't believe "tithing" is the correct term for the church.
jamel11234
10/23/2008 2:43 PM
And as mentioned by the previous poster..we should definitely prioritize our families before giving to the church..if it gets to that point. Let no minister tell you that you have to give to the church when you cant even buy food for the table. In that case give what you can..if its $2 or $25..God will honor your obedience to his word concerning the family..1 Timothy 5:8 If anyone does not take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Let scripture interpret scripture..here scripture says that your families needs come first. But God is gracious..i do not think too many will be in a position to choose between the two.
jamel11234
10/23/2008 2:36 PM
When he asks will a man rob God in Malachi who is he talking to? When Jesus says "This you should have done"..who is he talking to? Extending the one about Jesus..was he talking to the church to the pahrisees who were still under law? Is this pre death or post death? We cannot twist the scripture to read what we want it to read.

I will say this however..while i obviously do not believe that Tithing, which means a tenth, is mandatory for the N.T. believer I do believe that giving is! Giving is not an option..Paul says that we should give according to what we have (1 cor 16:2) and that our giving is a matter of the heart (2 Cor 9:7). I do not believe that everyone is able to give 10%, nor do i believe that those that can afford to give more should only give 10%. My point is that we should give willfully and cheerfully what we can give.

Its time to speak the truth about tithing and giving in churches today. It will take a change of heart in our Pastors for sure. Its Giving not Tithing!
jamel11234
10/23/2008 2:21 PM
I am soooo amazed (jaw dropping amazed) that sooo many preachers, ministers, and writers such as this one still does around saying that Tithing is mandatory. I mean the Biblical evidence is soooo obvious that i wonder if these ministers of the Gospel are even studying the word.

There is no denying that TITHING is an O.T. (aka Old Covenant) law...my goodness. We love to go around rejoicing that the cross has freed us from the written letter of the law and from various festivals and the such..but only for some laws or some festivals..but when it comes to the law of tithes (which are clearly spelled out in the word) we are disobey or are stealing from God.

Another case in point..what the heck happened to context? Is there not a difference between Isreal and the church? If God is talking to Isreal in the O.T. concerning the Tithe law how does that automatically mean that he is talking to the church? In the Leveticus and the other law books who is he talking to?.....
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