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rlcorona
6/25/2008 4:36 PM
dgraham75, it is apparent from your first post that you have fallen into the trap of this world. First it is true that there is a real person Satan but I doubt even you would say he is God honoring. Second the bible has plenty to say about marriage from Genesis through the new testament. Third fornication is condemned through out the bible. I pray that you don't somehow think that God's word needs to change to fit the times as so many post modernists seem to think. His word is forever and sex outside of marriage is a sin plain and simple. This movie while not pornography in the strictest sense is not a movie that a believer should watch. As the old computer saying goes garbage in, garbage out.
dgraham75
6/10/2008 12:40 AM
I thought that anything that is true IS God honoring. SATC truly reflects what many single women go through. ASK THEM! The irony is that the show is really about so much more than sex, but you all wouldn't know that, because you haven't seen it. The stupid things the SATC women do in life, love, etc are actually held accountable by the friends and you actually get to see how they reap what they sow! The movie glorifies marriage more than anything else! I have watched SATC and porn. SATC is not porn! It does not objectify women the way this site has portrayed. As a woman, I am confident to say that you can not know what I want. I want the freedom to speak for myself, discern how God speaks to me, and not have your issues of pornography projected onto my decisions to watch a tv show/movie! Why do you feel it necessary to tell me to save myself until marriage? I have been celibate my entire adult life! The presumptions on this site astound me. BTW, what is your abstinence story, and do you have any idea how little the Bible actually says about marriage?
dgraham75
6/10/2008 12:25 AM
Dear Ploodie,

Thank you for your apology. I accept. To clarify, you misunderstood me. I never said that the church's ways were old and outdated. I said that the church is not adequately addressing feminine sexuality in a healthy way. That does not mean I want the church to put its stamp of approval on casual, meaningless sex. The church, and all those who are in it, MUST get with the program in addressing the fact that men and women are sexual beings whether we are married or not. That means that it is okay to have positive regards for good sex (within the right context). The church is failing in meeting the needs of a growing single population. We are not adequately addressing the fact that our biology and hormonal realities are not matching up with our social situations. Touting of moralistic do's and dont's is not going to win people over, and neither is denying people's need for sex! There is a difference between a healthy view of sex and lust. We must define it.
bp5494
6/6/2008 1:15 PM
Attention Ladies!

As a Christian man, I beg you, turn away from falling into this worldly trap of thinking that you need to be like these women on Sex and teh City or need to even watch the show. The ideals that the show portrays are lies that quietly move many to immorality. The show is not God honoring, so please do not watch it.

I can speak from experience having grown up watching shows like this on cable and then eventually becoming trapped in the porn world. My views of women became so distorted. I looked at women with lustful eyes, only wanting one thing and thinking they secretly wanted exactly the same thing. I was wrong.

Women want to be loved and know they have security in relationships and men want to be respected and needed. Save sex until marriage. A man who will wait until then truly loves you and loves God even more, and that's what women should want.

The best thing we can all do to avoid the lies is read the Bible to know God's plan for marriage.
ploodie
6/6/2008 11:33 AM
To continue - No, I haven't seen this movie - and yes I have made an opinion that it is a dangerous heap of trash that influences the way women today think. It's called discernment. I have seen enough from clips and what I've read to know that there is nothing in this film worth wasting my time over.

In the same way, I don't need to visit a strip club to know that I have no business in there. I am no prude - I do not boycott R-rated movies across the board. However, when I can read about this film enough to see that it includes graphic nudity and simulated sex more than 7 times, I don't feel there is any reason for a Christian to either see it or support it. I am personally saddened that so many Christian sisters feel there is nothing wrong with this film believe me, you are by far not the only one!

I am not attacking you as a person, but only your opinion on this film. I apologize for the suggestion that you are "weak" in my first post.
ploodie
6/6/2008 11:30 AM
dgraham75 - I don't know you personally, so perhaps it is wrong of me to make assumptions about you. But I can only go by what you wrote. Your first statement implied that SJP's character is inspirational to women because, among other things, she pursues sexual satisfaction on her own terms and that this spoke to many women, in which category you included yourself. You also implied that the church's traditional view on sex is somehow "wrong" or "outdated," by which I can only conclude you believe that holding to God's command that sex remain between a faithfully married man and woman is outdated and should be deviated from. If I misread your point, you are free to correct it - but that is what your words suggest, and that is all I can go by.

dgraham75
6/3/2008 7:03 PM
P.S. The implications that I am a "weaker woman" with a "seriously misaligned view of God's intent for His beloved creation" along with the presumptions that I haven't studied women in the Bible are hurtful and accusatory and reflect the very reasons I (and many others) feel unheard, dismissed, and disrespected in Christian circles. I am a thoughtful, contemplative woman who has spent a lot of time and effort in my pursuit of theological understanding, and spiritual direction, and the journey has been very very painful. I am used to asking tough questions, and getting slammed for it, but for some reason I don't relent. I am not asking for people to tickle my ears with words that are easy for me to hear. I am asking for common courtesy, and an empathetic ear who is willing to make the effort to walk two steps in my Manolos without waving a big old stick of judgment in my face.

dgraham75
6/3/2008 6:10 PM
Dear Ploodie,
My seminary experience has taught me that being gentle when dealing with people and their varied journeys in life is of major importance when becoming salt and light in the world, especially to people who feel alienated and judged by the church. I have also witnessed firsthand that Christians who blow the loudest horns of "morality" are the ones secretly struggling with all kinds of guilt and shame the most, especially in the area of sexuality. I understand your perspective on the movie and hear your concern regarding a need for exhorting that which is good. But I am certain that your opinion of the movie is formed without seeing it, which is something that frustrates me. It is no different than people who believe the Bible is nothing but sexism and violence, but yet never opened it. The Jesus I have read about lived among the "least of these." He didn't condone what you would define as sin, but he didn't run away from it either.
ploodie
6/3/2008 11:11 AM
I take it, then, dgraham75, that your seminary hasn't really taught much on the area of personal morality? Anyone who can see this film as a positive view on women has a seriously misaligned view of God's intent for His beloved creation.

No doubt women have been walked on like doormats throughout history, but the answer is not to throw morality out the window in favor of unbridled carnality.

Movies like this convince weaker women that what they need for happiness is to do "whatever feels good now" and that anyone who disagrees with this is a "male chauvinist" just trying to keep women down.

God has a wonderful view of women in His word, and gives them much worth and value. And He does it without whoring them out as sex objects.

I strongly suggest you study women in the Bible in regards to morality, and never let a movie produced by this world of Satan's speak "truth" to you!
dgraham75
6/2/2008 6:14 PM
I applaud you for reviewing the new "Sex and the City" movie. However, the reason people spent 55 million dollars on this film?...it does have a lot of meaning for many women. Even though the fashion is not accessible to most of us, their lives as professional women with brains, career goals, desires for love, and good sex accurately represents me, and many people I know. As a seminary student, I am increasingly frustrated with the church's inability to embrace the fullness of feminine sexuality in any healthy alternative than to what is so "moralistically" presented in articles like this one. Christians outright fail to acknowledge that women have spent centuries ignoring or abandoning their own needs to a fault or even by force. Samantha's character, who chooses to "love herself more" breaks free from that bondage. So much opportunity is missed when people are so quick to see this movie through their own eyes, rather than from those who do in fact identify with it. It's so sad.
The Postmortem
6/1/2008 9:49 PM
I am extremely disappointed that this movie was reviewed by crosswalk.com. If its important that movies with nudity and lots of sexual encounters be reviewed in movie theaters for Christians, why not review pornography for the same kind of reasons? This movie is merely less pornographic, and more plot-based. No Christian should ever watch it, much less in a theater...not even in order to 'review' it.

I wish editors in this website would avoid this mistake in the future.
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