Phil Wickham Shares His Dream of the Future, Says “I Want to Practice What I Preach”

Christian artist Phil Wickham has some big dreams, which he unraveled in a recent interview with New Zealand video creator Fraser Grut, best known for his 10,000 Dreams segments on Instagram.

Gabrielle Sellitti

Updated Jun 20, 2025

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Phil Wickham Shares His Dream of the Future, Says “I Want to Practice What I Preach”

Christian artist Phil Wickham has some big dreams, which he shared in a recent interview with New Zealand video creator Fraser Grut, best known for his 10,000 Dreams segments on Instagram. In this short clip, Wickham unpacks his wildest life dreams, starting off by humbly stating that he wants to grow old with his wife and admire the work God allowed the couple to do.

“I would love to live a life where I’m, like, 80 years old next to my 77-year-old wife on the porch in a rocking chair blown away by all that God allowed us to do,” Wickham says, “Still in love, with children that are healthy and grandchildren that are healthy. And that are all pursuing a life of grace and love and mercy, that hopefully, we help lead them into.”

The couple, who reside in San Diego, CA, will be married for 16 years in November. Their tight-knit family of six includes Phil, his wife, Mallory, three daughters, Penelope, Mabel, Lottie, and son Henry. Wickham's wife and children occasionally have the opportunity to go on tour with him to watch him perform.

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Wickham has an emotional moment where he imagines a future where his wife and kids, those he considers closest to him, talk about how he is more than what he says he is on stage while at home.

“I’m kind of crying right now because I know how much better I could be at it. I just wanna be a person that my family, my kids, they see me on Instagram, and they see me on stage…yeah, that’s cool, but then they see me in our tough time at home or frustrating time, and they see me acting out of love and patience and being the person I’m talking about on stage.”

He says his dream is to just be a good guy. He acknowledges all the other awesome blessings in life his fame could bring, like playing on Saturday Night Live and Superbowl Halftime shows. He even jokes about his dream to dunk one day but laughs at the fact that he would probably need surgery to be physically capable of that.

“There’s a million dreams out there, but when I have to distill it down to, like, what do I really want? I want to practice what I preach. And [I want] the people that are around me to say, yeah he did that. …and for my wife to say ‘yeah he’s exactly what he says he is on stage.’”

Fraser Grut posted this interview on his Instagram page, tagging Wickham and writing, “so so so inspired & challenged by this dream…”

WATCH: Phil Wickham Shares His Dream of Being a Good Guy and Practicing What He Preaches

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More about Phil Wickham

Phil Wickham is a Grammy-winning worship leader and songwriter whose powerful songs—like “This Is Amazing Grace,” “Living Hope,” and “Battle Belongs”—have stirred hearts and transformed congregations around the world. He boldly addresses modern challenges to faith, using his platform to speak truth into deconstruction culture through his album I Believe and conversations on worship’s relevance. Beyond the stage, he serves as a local church worship pastor, emphasizing that music should lead to lasting spiritual impact rather than mere entertainment. His life mission? To guide listeners into encounters with Christ through authentic worship and a heart rooted in Scripture.